Comments on: Ethanol Muscle Cars http://ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/ Ed Ring's EcoWorld Posts Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:00:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: helmy http://ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-91972 helmy Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:15:48 +0000 http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-91972 Great article about hybrid cars. you can read more about ethanol cars on my site http://ethanolcars.biz Great article about hybrid cars.

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]]> By: Muscle Car http://ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-91155 Muscle Car Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:05:50 +0000 http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-91155 about ethanol why bother, when most of the people who just have a car for transportation gets a electric car we will have no troubles anymore, also a little note, Mearsk container ship from Denmark blast so much Co2 out as whole Denmark together, why dont any do anything about that, be cause thats not as easy as to punish the car owners who only has about 5% of the Co2 in the world. about ethanol why bother, when most of the people who just have a car for transportation gets a electric car we will have no troubles anymore, also a little note, Mearsk container ship from Denmark blast so much Co2 out as whole Denmark together, why dont any do anything about that, be cause thats not as easy as to punish the car owners who only has about 5% of the Co2 in the world.

]]> By: ed edmundson http://ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-30232 ed edmundson Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:04:30 +0000 http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-30232 ethanol production was experimented with about 20 years ago in louisiana, where i'm from and a friend of our had a some ethanol production facility that used sugar cane, now they're experiementing with sorghum... it doesn't get as much publicity as corn ethanol in the midwest... but there are a lot of small biz folks in la and a lot of entreprenurial farmers... it'll be fun to watch how this develops... but they need some long term subsidy commitments... i think they've done this in the past only to have it fold when the subsidies ran dry... small clip from an article below. Louisiana Green Fuels will be the first American ethanol producer to use sugar cane and sweet sorghum as raw material," said Mauricio Guevara, manager of the unbuilt plant in Lacassine. "I have hope that this is good source for ethanol." ethanol production was experimented with about 20 years ago in louisiana, where i’m from and a friend of our had a some ethanol production facility that used sugar cane, now they’re experiementing with sorghum… it doesn’t get as much publicity as corn ethanol in the midwest… but there are a lot of small biz folks in la and a lot of entreprenurial farmers… it’ll be fun to watch how this develops… but they need some long term subsidy commitments… i think they’ve done this in the past only to have it fold when the subsidies ran dry… small clip from an article below.

Louisiana Green Fuels will be the first American ethanol producer to use sugar cane and sweet sorghum as raw material,” said Mauricio Guevara, manager of the unbuilt plant in Lacassine. “I have hope that this is good source for ethanol.”

]]> By: Ed Ring http://ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-23014 Ed Ring Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:35:33 +0000 http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-23014 Karl: Most ethanol comes from sugar cane planted in areas that used to be Amazon rainforest. Sugar cane has twice the ethanol yield per area compared to corn. Cellulosic ethanol is great if it comes from waste streams such as sawdust or municipal solid waste, but problematic if it comes from corn and wheat refuse because this matter needs to be plowed back into the soil to prevent soil depletion. Cellulosic ethanol also could be extracted in the form of dry tinder removed from forests where if it weren't removed it would just be burned in forest fires. Ideally however ethanol needs to come from factory enclosures - there are a few companies working on this today, such as LS9 and Amyris. That is the future of high volume, low impact ethanol production, in my opinion. I think in general there are not well defined - much less enforced - certification criteria for ethanol. If I were to compare the total environmental impact of ethanol from Amazonian sugar cane to petroleum from the Athabasca tar sands, I would choose the petroleum. But ethanol's future is in factory production using feedstock grown in enclosed containers fed only recirculating water, CO2 and light. That is a promising possibility that is environmentally preferable to most if not all currently combustible fuels, and totally renewable. Karl: Most ethanol comes from sugar cane planted in areas that used to be Amazon rainforest. Sugar cane has twice the ethanol yield per area compared to corn. Cellulosic ethanol is great if it comes from waste streams such as sawdust or municipal solid waste, but problematic if it comes from corn and wheat refuse because this matter needs to be plowed back into the soil to prevent soil depletion. Cellulosic ethanol also could be extracted in the form of dry tinder removed from forests where if it weren’t removed it would just be burned in forest fires.

Ideally however ethanol needs to come from factory enclosures - there are a few companies working on this today, such as LS9 and Amyris. That is the future of high volume, low impact ethanol production, in my opinion. I think in general there are not well defined - much less enforced - certification criteria for ethanol. If I were to compare the total environmental impact of ethanol from Amazonian sugar cane to petroleum from the Athabasca tar sands, I would choose the petroleum. But ethanol’s future is in factory production using feedstock grown in enclosed containers fed only recirculating water, CO2 and light. That is a promising possibility that is environmentally preferable to most if not all currently combustible fuels, and totally renewable.

]]> By: Karl Jacobs http://ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-23013 Karl Jacobs Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:33:29 +0000 http://www.ecoworld.com/blog/2007/06/19/ethanol-muscle-cars/#comment-23013 One thing I am curious about is the comment on the rainforest stuff. Right now most ethanol comes from corn, right? In the future it will come not from the corn but from the parts of the plant we don't eat like the stalk. This is why Vinod and others are so stoked about cellulosic ethanol which is a fancy way of saying we get it from the part of corn/wheat we don't eat. One thing I am curious about is the comment on the rainforest stuff. Right now most ethanol comes from corn, right? In the future it will come not from the corn but from the parts of the plant we don’t eat like the stalk. This is why Vinod and others are so stoked about cellulosic ethanol which is a fancy way of saying we get it from the part of corn/wheat we don’t eat.

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